10 Nov
2022
10 Nov
'22
8:44 p.m.
After an all night session of drunken research I've come to the conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
10 Nov
10 Nov
9:25 p.m.
Linus,
I know the feeling, have a server whose motherboard needed
flashing, but flash utility only available in 32bit version,
ended up loading Slackware 32bit, worked a treat.
http://www.slackware.com/install/sysreq.php
Requires: Intel 486, 64MB RAM, CD or DVD or bootable USB,
5GB hard drive.
Release notes: http://www.slackware.com/announce/15.0.php
says: The 32-bit x86 version may be found here:
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-15.0/
Best of luck!
--
Charles
On 11/10/22 12:44, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a
CD-R and actually install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to
give my faithful old Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with
but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
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11 Nov
11 Nov
3:34 p.m.
I have a really old Red Hat "Live" CD you can have. It should be 32 bit. But,
I would think that there would be archives where you can get what you want. For example
archive.fedoraproject.org goes all the way back to Fedora 10 and has 32 and 64 bit iso
images for v10 that will fit on a CD. I would think it would be the same for other
distros.
But if you want a current release, you are probably out of luck.
-Gary
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 01:44:27PM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
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3:57 p.m.
This looks promising, bootable maybe even... giving it a try.
https://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware-iso/slackware-15.0-iso/
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
I have a really old Red Hat "Live" CD you
can have. It should be 32 bit.
But, I would think that there would be archives where you can get what you
want. For example archive.fedoraproject.org goes all the way back to
Fedora 10 and has 32 and 64 bit iso images for v10 that will fit on a CD.
I would think it would be the same for other distros.
But if you want a current release, you are probably out of luck.
-Gary
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 01:44:27PM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will
fit on a CD-R and
actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going
to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead
Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
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8:21 p.m.
Too big. Refuses to boot a dvd, swear I saw it write one once. Trying a
Centos 7 i386 cdrom over the network install, found a repo still online.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:57 AM Linus Sphinx <sphinxtar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This looks promising, bootable maybe even... giving it
a try.
https://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware-iso/slackware-15.0-iso/
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
I have a really old Red Hat "Live" CD
you can have. It should be 32
bit. But, I would think that there would be archives where you can get
what you want. For example archive.fedoraproject.org goes all the way
back to Fedora 10 and has 32 and 64 bit iso images for v10 that will fit on
a CD. I would think it would be the same for other distros.
But if you want a current release, you are probably out of luck.
-Gary
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 01:44:27PM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will
fit on a CD-R and
actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going
to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead
Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
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9:28 p.m.
Looking better by the minute, installing a bunch of package.i686 anyway.
It's a mobile pentium 4 so really not bad for being obsolete since 2010
with no wifi or usable usb.
https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/i386
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 1:21 PM Linus Sphinx <sphinxtar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Too big. Refuses to boot a dvd, swear I saw it write
one once. Trying a
Centos 7 i386 cdrom over the network install, found a repo still online.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:57 AM Linus Sphinx <sphinxtar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> This looks promising, bootable maybe even... giving it a try.
> https://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware-iso/slackware-15.0-iso/
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:35 AM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a really old Red Hat "Live" CD you can have. It should be 32
>> bit. But, I would think that there would be archives where you can get
>> what you want. For example archive.fedoraproject.org goes all the way
>> back to Fedora 10 and has 32 and 64 bit iso images for v10 that will fit on
>> a CD. I would think it would be the same for other distros.
>>
>> But if you want a current release, you are probably out of luck.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 01:44:27PM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
>> > After an all night session of drunken research I've come to the
>> conclusion
>> > there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and
>> actually
>> > install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful old
>> > Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead
>> Jim.
>> > Suggestions?
>> > Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
>> > anything to a hard disk.
>> > Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
>> > heavy.
>>
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12 Nov
12 Nov
6:02 a.m.
Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar(a)gmail.com):
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Yes.
Note the year, and recycle them.
I could list all the reasons why trying to keep such ridiculously old
and fragile computers going is a bad idea, but most should be obvious.
3:08 p.m.
Fragile? This thing could stop a 9mm. I had a pile left when I retired,
every time corp. gave me a new I one threw old one in a closet, been
refreshing and distributing them to young family who don't know the
difference recently. If you have no expectations it's fast right? Was at
sis-in-law's and a niece was dragging a dell latitude around by the
external scsi cable, (mom removed, set aside hard drive and battery), like
a fischer-price toy, laughed til I cried, so cute. Got an ancient guy I
don't even know with COPD across the road chained to an oxygen bottle, met
his sister, using Windows his nephew isn't supporting on a pc still running
7 and won't make it to 10, should have seen his face when a stranger
knocked on the door and handed him a Dell E6400t fully loaded with FC36
ready to boot and finish in its original case. Great way to make friends
too. Can't believe how fast he caught on, wish I could have hired him as an
admin 30 years ago.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 11:02 PM Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> wrote:
Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar(a)gmail.com):
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion
there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will
fit on a CD-R and
actually
install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going
to give my faithful old
Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead
Jim.
Suggestions?
Yes.
Note the year, and recycle them.
I could list all the reasons why trying to keep such ridiculously old
and fragile computers going is a bad idea, but most should be obvious.
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9:05 p.m.
Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar(a)gmail.com):
Fragile? This thing could stop a 9mm.
Old computers' components are at high risk of failure without warning.
And replacement parts now carry specialty-item pricing, which is the market's
way of saying "Son, give it up."
Don't believe this? Fine, learn the hard way.
14 Nov
14 Nov
4:17 p.m.
Back when Beowulf clusters were a thing, I bought 4 boxes at the Bargain Barn at UCD for
$100, so I could play. I never did the Beowulf cluster, although I did play around a bit.
I kept the boxes for quite a while. I had 4 identical boxes. The hardware didn't
have many issues and if it did I swapped out between boxes. There are a lot of things
where speed doesn't matter that much. And I use the terminal/console a lot. For
example, email.
It turned out to be $100 well spent. I think they were original 386's.
A little before then, when the Earth was still nicely warm, there was the WinTel
"conspiracy". The theory being that you could do most things with pretty
minimal hardware, but Microsoft was intentionally bloating software so that you had to buy
bigger hardware than necessary e.g. Snoopy flight simulator Easter Eggs in Excel.
IHMO, the same thing is happening now with library bloat. A page loads, then does nothing
for awhile, then lets you do something, then erases it. I realize if I had a faster
system or better connection, that wouldn't happen, but I was trying to find a good
oven temperature for roasting pumpkin seeds. Some of the "recipe" sites had
side videos of active 3rd person shooter games and for most of them I had to watch a video
to get the information. The videos are garbage. It made me laugh. I used a cookbook I
have. Which meant I had to get up out of the chair I was in, but it was worth it.
I think I'll keep my books for a while longer.
I don't know if the WinTel conspiracy was real. It sure seemed like it. But the most
recent manifestation is just due to the usual suspects, stupidity and laziness, IMHO.
-Gary
On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 08:08:39AM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
Fragile? This thing could stop a 9mm. I had a pile
left when I retired,
every time corp. gave me a new I one threw old one in a closet, been
refreshing and distributing them to young family who don't know the
difference recently. If you have no expectations it's fast right? Was at
sis-in-law's and a niece was dragging a dell latitude around by the
external scsi cable, (mom removed, set aside hard drive and battery), like
a fischer-price toy, laughed til I cried, so cute. Got an ancient guy I
don't even know with COPD across the road chained to an oxygen bottle, met
his sister, using Windows his nephew isn't supporting on a pc still running
7 and won't make it to 10, should have seen his face when a stranger
knocked on the door and handed him a Dell E6400t fully loaded with FC36
ready to boot and finish in its original case. Great way to make friends
too. Can't believe how fast he caught on, wish I could have hired him as an
admin 30 years ago.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 11:02 PM Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar(a)gmail.com):
>
> > After an all night session of drunken research I've come to the
> conclusion
> > there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and
> actually
> > install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful old
> > Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with but I think it's dead
> Jim.
> > Suggestions?
>
> Yes.
>
> Note the year, and recycle them.
>
> I could list all the reasons why trying to keep such ridiculously old
> and fragile computers going is a bad idea, but most should be obvious.
>
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6:05 p.m.
LOL, if it's a conspiracy it's a real money maker. My first hadoop cluster
was ambari running on a half dozen mini-itx boxes, stacked was about the
size of half a tower, passively cooled and dead silent. Still got the
thecus n5500 celeron raid they used running.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:18 AM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
Back when Beowulf clusters were a thing, I bought 4
boxes at the Bargain
Barn at UCD for $100, so I could play. I never did the Beowulf cluster,
although I did play around a bit. I kept the boxes for quite a while. I
had 4 identical boxes. The hardware didn't have many issues and if it did
I swapped out between boxes. There are a lot of things where speed doesn't
matter that much. And I use the terminal/console a lot. For example,
email.
It turned out to be $100 well spent. I think they were original 386's.
A little before then, when the Earth was still nicely warm, there was the
WinTel "conspiracy". The theory being that you could do most things with
pretty minimal hardware, but Microsoft was intentionally bloating software
so that you had to buy bigger hardware than necessary e.g. Snoopy flight
simulator Easter Eggs in Excel.
IHMO, the same thing is happening now with library bloat. A page loads,
then does nothing for awhile, then lets you do something, then erases it.
I realize if I had a faster system or better connection, that wouldn't
happen, but I was trying to find a good oven temperature for roasting
pumpkin seeds. Some of the "recipe" sites had side videos of active 3rd
person shooter games and for most of them I had to watch a video to get the
information. The videos are garbage. It made me laugh. I used a cookbook
I have. Which meant I had to get up out of the chair I was in, but it was
worth it.
I think I'll keep my books for a while longer.
I don't know if the WinTel conspiracy was real. It sure seemed like it.
But the most recent manifestation is just due to the usual suspects,
stupidity and laziness, IMHO.
-Gary
On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 08:08:39AM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
Fragile? This thing could stop a 9mm. I had a
pile left when I retired,
every time corp. gave me a new I one threw old one in a closet, been
refreshing and distributing them to young family who don't know the
difference recently. If you have no expectations it's fast right? Was at
sis-in-law's and a niece was dragging a dell latitude around by the
external scsi cable, (mom removed, set aside hard drive and battery),
like
a fischer-price toy, laughed til I cried, so
cute. Got an ancient guy I
don't even know with COPD across the road chained to an oxygen bottle,
met
his sister, using Windows his nephew isn't
supporting on a pc still
running
7 and won't make it to 10, should have seen
his face when a stranger
knocked on the door and handed him a Dell E6400t fully loaded with FC36
ready to boot and finish in its original case. Great way to make friends
too. Can't believe how fast he caught on, wish I could have hired him as
an
admin 30 years ago.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 11:02 PM Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar(a)gmail.com):
>
> > After an all night session of drunken research I've come to the
> conclusion
> > there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a CD-R and
> actually
> > install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to give my faithful
old
> > Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to
play with but I think it's dead
> Jim.
> > Suggestions?
>
> Yes.
>
> Note the year, and recycle them.
>
> I could list all the reasons why trying to keep such ridiculously old
> and fragile computers going is a bad idea, but most should be obvious.
>
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12 Nov
12 Nov
6:58 a.m.
The Debian 386 installer doesn't work? Install to a hard drive?
I have my old 486 in the closet with Debian installed. I can pull it out
and fire it up!
https://www.debian.org/distrib/
32-bit CD Torrent
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/
Brian
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 01:44:27PM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a
CD-R and actually install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to
give my faithful old Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with
but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it, pretty
heavy.
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"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other
way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
Professor C. A. R. Hoare
The 1980 Turing award lecture
7:29 a.m.
Quoting Brian E. Lavender (brian(a)brie.com):
The Debian 386 installer doesn't work? Install to
a hard drive?
I have my old 486 in the closet with Debian installed. I can pull it out
and fire it up!
Funny story: Around 2005, I was visiting my (now-late) father-in-law
in Mammoth Lakes, California -- and mentioned how much in the 1980s
I admired _specifically_ the Macintosh IIci, for how hackable and easy
to work inside that Motorola 68030-based desktop computer was. And he
said "You know, I have one in my basement, and I'd be glad to give it to
you."
So, I ended up driving that wonderful late-1980s computer back to Menlo
Park, where I installed Debian m68k onto it.
For months afterwards, friends would ask me "So, how does it run
Debian?" My answer: "Well, it walks it briskly."
I donated the hardware to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View
-- the local and best-case analogue of your aged pet going "upstate".
15 Nov
15 Nov
12:39 a.m.
I have a 32 bit machine too.
It runs FreeDOS.
I also install sometimes AntiX which at the moment is 32 bit friendly.
BTW Hi, I am Ron!
On Thu, 2022-11-10 at 13:44 -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a
CD-R and actually install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to
give my faithful old Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with
but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it,
pretty heavy.
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16 Nov
16 Nov
8:56 a.m.
Hi Ron. Have you been following the group for long?
I've been looking into systemd free Linux distros. I see that Antix is systemd free.
So far I've looked into Alpine and Devuan. Maybe I'll give Antix a try too. I
see it is related somehow to MX Linux.
-Gary
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:39:11PM -0800, Ronald Hudson wrote:
I have a 32 bit machine too.
It runs FreeDOS.
I also install sometimes AntiX which at the moment is 32 bit friendly.
BTW Hi, I am Ron!
On Thu, 2022-11-10 at 13:44 -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote:
After an all night session of drunken research
I've come to the
conclusion there are no 32 bit linux distros left that will fit on a
CD-R and actually install a desktop, hell DVD-R either. Was going to
give my faithful old Dell i486 laptop to a neighbor kid to play with
but I think it's dead Jim.
Suggestions?
Those that are left seem to only boot from media and will not install
anything to a hard disk.
Must be a screen door blowing shut somewhere that could use it,
pretty heavy.
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18 Nov
4:27 p.m.
On Wed, 2022-11-16 at 00:56 -0800, Gary wrote:
Hi Ron. Have you been following the group for long?
Only a short while - watching for announcements of meetings.
I am recently retired so now I finally have time for such things.
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