13 Mar
2025
13 Mar
'25
3:50 p.m.
Gary, computers are hard and shouldn't be used by retired folks. :) Run it
like below, it will load last. Use AI for docs - much easier and faster
than our brains.
Type=idle
Behavior of idle is very similar to simple; however, actual execution of
the service program is delayed until all active jobs are dispatched. This
may be used to avoid interleaving the output of shell services with the
status output on the console. Note that this type is useful only to improve
console output, it is not useful as a general unit ordering tool, and the
effect of this service type is subject to a 5s timeout, after which the
service program is invoked anyway.
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.service.html
Kevin
8 Aug
8 Aug
1:27 p.m.
New subject: Systemd
The following message was in the queue as being from a non-subscriber. I
rarely check these things....
Brian
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 03:50:43PM -0700, Kevin Brisson wrote:
Gary, computers are hard and shouldn't be used
by retired folks. :) Run
it like below, it will load last. Use AI for docs - much easier and
faster than our brains.
Type=idle
Behavior of idle is very similar to simple; however, actual execution
of the service program is delayed until all active jobs are dispatched.
This may be used to avoid interleaving the output of shell services
with the status output on the console. Note that this type is useful
only to improve console output, it is not useful as a general unit
ordering tool, and the effect of this service type is subject to a 5s
timeout, after which the service program is invoked anyway.
[1]https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.serv
ice.html
Kevin
References
1. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.service.html
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https://www.brie.com/brian/
"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other
way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
Professor C. A. R. Hoare
The 1980 Turing award lecture
9 Aug
9 Aug
8:33 a.m.
New subject: Systemd
I believe this was already posted to the list back in March, which is when it is dated. I
haven't saved my emails since back then and would have to check the archive to get the
context. But, I believe I was complaining about the overarching and unnecesarily complex
nature of systemd :)
As an aside, as a result of that converstaion, I've looked in to Suspend on the
desktop instead of going through the shutdown and reboot cycle. I haven't done it
yet, but unless you are rebooting to "clean things up", it seems like a better
way to do things and eliminates the need for developing boot scripts to re-establish the
desired system configuration.
And yes, no one is perfect and neither am I :)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2025 at 01:27:35PM -0700, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
The following message was in the queue as being from a
non-subscriber. I
rarely check these things....
Brian
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 03:50:43PM -0700, Kevin Brisson wrote:
--
-Gary
It is a simple thing to make things complex,
a complex thing to make things simple.
Gary, computers are hard and shouldn't be
used by retired folks. :) Run
it like below, it will load last. Use AI for docs - much easier and
faster than our brains.
Type=idle
Behavior of idle is very similar to simple; however, actual execution
of the service program is delayed until all active jobs are dispatched.
This may be used to avoid interleaving the output of shell services
with the status output on the console. Note that this type is useful
only to improve console output, it is not useful as a general unit
ordering tool, and the effect of this service type is subject to a 5s
timeout, after which the service program is invoked anyway.
[1]https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.serv
ice.html
Kevin
References
1. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.service.html
--
Brian Lavender
https://www.brie.com/brian/
"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other
way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
Professor C. A. R. Hoare
The 1980 Turing award lecture
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7 Nov
7 Nov
12:37 p.m.
New subject: Systemd
I've been giving some thought to playing with systemd and making it actually useful.
I should spend more time with the docs. :)
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 03:50:43PM -0700, Kevin Brisson wrote:
Gary, computers are hard and shouldn't be used by
retired folks. :) Run it
like below, it will load last. Use AI for docs - much easier and faster
than our brains.
Type=idle
Behavior of idle is very similar to simple; however, actual execution of
the service program is delayed until all active jobs are dispatched. This
may be used to avoid interleaving the output of shell services with the
status output on the console. Note that this type is useful only to improve
console output, it is not useful as a general unit ordering tool, and the
effect of this service type is subject to a 5s timeout, after which the
service program is invoked anyway.
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.service.html
Kevin
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-Gary
It is a simple thing to make things complex,
a complex thing to make things simple.
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Systemd
On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 12:37:31PM -0800, Gary wrote:
I've been giving some thought to playing with
systemd and making it actually useful. I should spend more time with the docs. :)
Install Fedora 43 from a clean install and systemd should work fine. Is
Slackware still on non systemd?
Brian
--
Brian Lavender
https://www.brie.com/brian/
"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other
way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
Professor C. A. R. Hoare
The 1980 Turing award lecture
1:02 p.m.
New subject: Systemd
Fine is in the eye of the beholder. I've written some units and they end up not
working the way I expect. Like killing and restarting the job until is hits the restart
limit. Things may be "fine" now. I just need to understand why this is
happening.
On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 12:45:57PM -0800, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 12:37:31PM -0800, Gary wrote:
--
-Gary
It is a simple thing to make things complex,
a complex thing to make things simple.
I've been giving some thought to playing with
systemd and making it actually useful. I should spend more time with the docs. :)
Install Fedora 43 from a clean install and systemd should work fine. Is
Slackware still on non systemd?
Brian
--
Brian Lavender
https://www.brie.com/brian/
"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other
way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
Professor C. A. R. Hoare
The 1980 Turing award lecture
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8 Nov
8 Nov
7:09 a.m.
New subject: Systemd
On 11/7/25 12:45, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
Install Fedora 43 from a clean install and systemd
should work fine. Is
Slackware still on non systemd?
Brian
Slackware is still running on sysvinit. Years of
experience with Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, CentOS,
Red Hat, FreeBSD, ... haven't has a problem with
sysvinit, have spent dozens of hours "supporting"
systemd. I haven't experienced any tangible benefit,
but from previous posts, and private conversations
on this topic, you do. Could it be because you're
a laptop user? I believe that laptops would be
ideal for me, except that the keyboards are always
a non-starter. I haven't ever tried a laptop
keyboard that didn't make my fingers feel retarded.
--
Chuck Polisher
11 Nov
11 Nov
10:58 p.m.
New subject: Systemd
I've felt that sisvinit is really all you need for a laptop or desktop, or possibly
even a stand alone server.
But, after looking around, I took the path of least resistance and began using distros
that use systemd.
Systemd has a lot of issues. It's monolithic. They went and built something that is
very flexible, and then used it a way that hardly utilizes it. It is way more than
someone with a laptop, desktop, or server really needs. It solves a problem that is
really only a problem for someone who has lots of systems to maintain each of which may
have different configurations. Unfortunately, they didn't make this as easy as it
should be; see not using flexibility previouly mentioned.
It does get around some of the awkwardness of rc.local, for example. If only I could get
it to work. That was an issue with rc.local too,as I recall.
I'm thinking that if I get some time, I'll play around with it.
On Sat, Nov 08, 2025 at 07:09:03AM -0800, Charles Polisher wrote:
On 11/7/25 12:45, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
--
-Gary
It is a simple thing to make things complex,
a complex thing to make things simple.
Install Fedora 43 from a clean install and
systemd should work fine. Is
Slackware still on non systemd?
Brian
Slackware is still running on sysvinit. Years of
experience with Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, CentOS,
Red Hat, FreeBSD, ... haven't has a problem with
sysvinit, have spent dozens of hours "supporting"
systemd. I haven't experienced any tangible benefit,
but from previous posts, and private conversations
on this topic, you do. Could it be because you're
a laptop user? I believe that laptops would be
ideal for me, except that the keyboards are always
a non-starter. I haven't ever tried a laptop
keyboard that didn't make my fingers feel retarded.
--
Chuck Polisher
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