While downloading F43 updates for my desktop, I found this thread on Xorg. Admittingly, I still do not fully understand how the windowing manager all fits together. I take it that there are various X libraries?
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-w...
I thought this quote was interesting:
"Fedora will benefit from shipping an actively maintained Xserver instead of a moribund one whose maintainers themselves label as “unmaintained” (pushing Wayland as the replacement)."
Brian
Did anyone consider that very little work is being done on Xorg because it works. Forking is OK. But why? A little clean up and organization might be nice.
I find these pronouncements from the "folks" at Fedora, really bothersome.
Of course their non-political announcements are highly political LOL.
At least they aren't going to Wayland. Which ,apparenlty, people who care don't like and aren't writing aps for. And the Wayland folks seem to have problems writing a bridge to X. I think they just have problems.
It looks like they are going to an X fork called Xlibre. Or some such. MEGO.
This strikes me as a big risk, for not much reward. Did the folks at Xorg reject some commits from someone who wanted to "fix" things or something? Why not try that?
Personally, I push around vnc, when I'm playing with this stuff. But, someone has to draw the base image/screen somehow. So, what is all this churn going to get me?
Fedora seems to have the problem that Schwartznegger identified with the California legislature: If you leave people alone in a room with nothing to do, they get into trouble.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 05:09:57PM -0800, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
While downloading F43 updates for my desktop, I found this thread on Xorg. Admittingly, I still do not fully understand how the windowing manager all fits together. I take it that there are various X libraries?
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-w...
I thought this quote was interesting:
"Fedora will benefit from shipping an actively maintained Xserver instead of a moribund one whose maintainers themselves label as “unmaintained” (pushing Wayland as the replacement)."
Brian
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"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
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I did some more looking at the fork. Part of the justification for the fork is excerpted here:
this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org gitlab infrastructure - so censored all my work (not just on Xorg). They killed my account, my git repos, my tickets in Xorg and closed all my merge requests. And then making fun on social media about it.
They fired the shot that's heared around the world.
So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom. Perhaps we should nominate them for the next Orwell award.
It's now clear that freedesktop.org is the Redskirts, and they want to kill X. By the way, the same corporation that tied to proprietarize a lot of FOSS code, including the Linux kernel (and I've been one of those who warned them about terminating our license
....
OK, so he did try to work with the Xorg people.
However, Fedora, a child of Redhat, want's to jump to his branch/fork, which doesn't really add up.
It does seem that somebody, somewhere wants to kill X, for reasons I don't understand, but I am beginning to suspect have to do with making money.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 11:53:18AM -0800, Gary wrote:
Did anyone consider that very little work is being done on Xorg because it works. Forking is OK. But why? A little clean up and organization might be nice.
I find these pronouncements from the "folks" at Fedora, really bothersome.
Of course their non-political announcements are highly political LOL.
At least they aren't going to Wayland. Which ,apparenlty, people who care don't like and aren't writing aps for. And the Wayland folks seem to have problems writing a bridge to X. I think they just have problems.
It looks like they are going to an X fork called Xlibre. Or some such. MEGO.
This strikes me as a big risk, for not much reward. Did the folks at Xorg reject some commits from someone who wanted to "fix" things or something? Why not try that?
Personally, I push around vnc, when I'm playing with this stuff. But, someone has to draw the base image/screen somehow. So, what is all this churn going to get me?
Fedora seems to have the problem that Schwartznegger identified with the California legislature: If you leave people alone in a room with nothing to do, they get into trouble.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 05:09:57PM -0800, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
While downloading F43 updates for my desktop, I found this thread on Xorg. Admittingly, I still do not fully understand how the windowing manager all fits together. I take it that there are various X libraries?
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-w...
I thought this quote was interesting:
"Fedora will benefit from shipping an actively maintained Xserver instead of a moribund one whose maintainers themselves label as “unmaintained” (pushing Wayland as the replacement)."
Brian
Brian Lavender https://www.brie.com/brian/
"There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
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