17 Nov
2025
17 Nov
'25
6:54 a.m.
I did some more looking at the fork. Part of the justification for the fork is excerpted
here:
this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org gitlab infrastructure -
so censored all my work (not just on Xorg). They killed my account, my git repos, my
tickets in Xorg and closed all my merge requests. And then making fun on social media
about it.
They fired the shot that's heared around the world.
So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom. Perhaps
we should nominate them for the next Orwell award.
It's now clear that freedesktop.org is the Redskirts, and they want to kill X. By the
way, the same corporation that tied to proprietarize a lot of FOSS code, including the
Linux kernel (and I've been one of those who warned them about terminating our license
....
OK, so he did try to work with the Xorg people.
However, Fedora, a child of Redhat, want's to jump to his branch/fork, which
doesn't really add up.
It does seem that somebody, somewhere wants to kill X, for reasons I don't understand,
but I am beginning to suspect have to do with making money.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 11:53:18AM -0800, Gary wrote:
Did anyone consider that very little work is being
done on Xorg because it works. Forking is OK. But why? A little clean up and
organization might be nice.
I find these pronouncements from the "folks" at Fedora, really bothersome.
Of course their non-political announcements are highly political LOL.
At least they aren't going to Wayland. Which ,apparenlty, people who care don't
like and aren't writing aps for. And the Wayland folks seem to have problems writing
a bridge to X. I think they just have problems.
It looks like they are going to an X fork called Xlibre. Or some such. MEGO.
This strikes me as a big risk, for not much reward. Did the folks at Xorg reject some
commits from someone who wanted to "fix" things or something? Why not try that?
Personally, I push around vnc, when I'm playing with this stuff. But, someone has to
draw the base image/screen somehow. So, what is all this churn going to get me?
Fedora seems to have the problem that Schwartznegger identified with the California
legislature: If you leave people alone in a room with nothing to do, they get into
trouble.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 05:09:57PM -0800, Brian E. Lavender wrote:
While downloading F43 updates for my desktop, I
found this thread on
Xorg. Admittingly, I still do not fully understand how the windowing
manager all fits together. I take it that there are various X libraries?
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-…
I thought this quote was interesting:
"Fedora will benefit from shipping an actively maintained Xserver instead
of a moribund one whose maintainers themselves label as “unmaintained”
(pushing Wayland as the replacement)."
Brian
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way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
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The 1980 Turing award lecture
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