I checked perl.org the other day and I found this link to an inteview with Larry Wall! I now understand his reference to peeling the onion! https://www.amazon.com/b?node=23983471011&ref_=cs_fdm_7137-23983471011 PERL picked up on the Tiobe index recently! https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ Brian -- Brian Lavender https://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture