5 Jan
2024
5 Jan
'24
12:05 a.m.
I hope you find this entertaining.
I have a very simple problem. I have a secondary structure on my property some distance
from my house. It has a light that I want to come on sometime after sunset and turn off
sometime before dawn.
There are a few issues.
1. The light is visible from the road, so it should look nice. Adding a socket with a
day night sensor isn't possible. It won't fit inside the current lighting
fixture.
2. The WiFi from the house does reach this structure, but it isn't very strong. My
laptop can pick it up just fine, but the Shelly home automation switch I bought
doesn't see it.
3. I have an extra phone that I use only for 2 factor authentication and a few other minor
uses. I have a $10/month plan for that phone.
Note: The Shelly is installed. It can't see any WiFi, so it won't let me set up
a schedule because it can't see a clock. Not withstanding the fact that I could tell
it what the time is and even $0.20 chips have a reasonably accurate clock. We aren't
flying planes or running nuclear reactors here. But it will let me tell it how long to
wait after I turn it on to turn it off. This uses a clock, but I guess it slipped
through. It's from Romania. I manually turn the light on every evening.
Plan 1
Move the second phone to the secondary structure and just use VNC to get any messages.
Turn on the hot spot and have the Shelly get the time from that.
Result: I abandonded this plan when I couldn't VNC into the phone from the world. Lo
and behold, this only works if you access the phone using WiFi. Since I want to use the
hotspot, this means being connected to the phone's hot spot. Which means I have to be
there, which defeats the whole purpose.
Plan 2
Set up my rPi on the hot spot from the phone. Use a remote ssh tunnel to access the rPi
and then access the phone.
Result: The remote tunnel is blocked. I only did some brief reading, but you have to do
some packet inspection to do this.
Plan 3
Use the slow network from the house to contact the rPi on a second external and good
antenna. Use the rPi's native antenna to contact the phone.
Result: This works. But it is incredibly slow. The clock on the phone that I see when
using vnc updates every 5 minutes. But despite this, it seemed pretty stable. Not really
workable though.
Note: Although an ssh remote tunnel won't work, sshfs apparently will. I
wouldn't have guessed that.
Note: Devices that are using the phone's hot spot can't see each other. They can
only see the phone. This would mean that if I connected the Shelly to the hot spot, I
wouldn't be able to see it from another device, like the rPi that I can talk to from
my house. However, the phone can see all of the connected devices. And the rPi can VNC
to the phone.
Next plan
Connect the Shelly to the hot spot. That should give it a clock and I should be able to
schedule it using the phone. If I am away and need to make a change I should be able to
use the rPi to VNC headlessly to the phone. Then I am thinking screen shots requested by
the slow connection and forwarded to the sshfs share over the hot spot. I'll have to
make sure I set the Shelly up with a static IP, or I'll never find it, since the
phone, the only thing that could see it, won't nmap or tell me what is connected to
it.
Thoughts
Having a few old phones and access to $10/month plans, it would be nice to just be able to
access a phone from the world. It would be easy to monitor and perhaps control things at
remote locations for cheap. I've used phones this way before, but they were alway on
WiFi and so I had access. When they are the hot spot/AP, things get all jacked up. As an
aside:I hate IoT.
If anyone has any thoughts, comments, or suggestions, I would welcome them.
If you read this far, I hope it was entertaining.
Final thought
After rereading this, I think I could just replace the Shelly with an X-10 light switch.
Install the controller on the rPi and control it with a cron job. I could make any
changes using the slow connection from the house. Or alternatively, I could use the native
WiFi interface on the rPi as an Ad Hoc/AP for the Shelly. I did try this, but it
didn't work. But I've upgraded the OS on the rPi to bookworm from stretch since
then. Maybe that will address some of the issues. I was using my laptop to test and I
think I was having version compatiblity issues.
Thanks.
Full circle
-Gary
5 Jan
5 Jan
1:40 a.m.
We have one of those switches you install in the wall, instead of a normal
light switch, and it automatically adjusts changes to when the sun sets and
rises and also accounts for the time changes. It always goes on at sunset
and always goes off at sunrise. Once every 2 years or so, I have to reset
the time back a few minutes, but other than that you just program the time
in once and you are good to go. Best thing ever.
I can't remember what the guy called it, but it sounded like an "automatic
lightswitch" but that is not it.
I even have an extra one. Let me try to find it....
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:07 PM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
I hope you find this entertaining.
I have a very simple problem. I have a secondary structure on my property
some distance from my house. It has a light that I want to come on
sometime after sunset and turn off sometime before dawn.
There are a few issues.
1. The light is visible from the road, so it should look nice. Adding a
socket with a day night sensor isn't possible. It won't fit inside the
current lighting fixture.
2. The WiFi from the house does reach this structure, but it isn't very
strong. My laptop can pick it up just fine, but the Shelly home automation
switch I bought doesn't see it.
3. I have an extra phone that I use only for 2 factor authentication and a
few other minor uses. I have a $10/month plan for that phone.
Note: The Shelly is installed. It can't see any WiFi, so it won't let me
set up a schedule because it can't see a clock. Not withstanding the fact
that I could tell it what the time is and even $0.20 chips have a
reasonably accurate clock. We aren't flying planes or running nuclear
reactors here. But it will let me tell it how long to wait after I turn it
on to turn it off. This uses a clock, but I guess it slipped through.
It's from Romania. I manually turn the light on every evening.
Plan 1
Move the second phone to the secondary structure and just use VNC to get
any messages. Turn on the hot spot and have the Shelly get the time from
that.
Result: I abandonded this plan when I couldn't VNC into the phone from
the world. Lo and behold, this only works if you access the phone using
WiFi. Since I want to use the hotspot, this means being connected to the
phone's hot spot. Which means I have to be there, which defeats the whole
purpose.
Plan 2
Set up my rPi on the hot spot from the phone. Use a remote ssh tunnel to
access the rPi and then access the phone.
Result: The remote tunnel is blocked. I only did some brief reading, but
you have to do some packet inspection to do this.
Plan 3
Use the slow network from the house to contact the rPi on a second
external and good antenna. Use the rPi's native antenna to contact the
phone.
Result: This works. But it is incredibly slow. The clock on the phone
that I see when using vnc updates every 5 minutes. But despite this, it
seemed pretty stable. Not really workable though.
Note: Although an ssh remote tunnel won't work, sshfs apparently will.
I wouldn't have guessed that.
Note: Devices that are using the phone's hot spot can't see each other.
They can only see the phone. This would mean that if I connected the
Shelly to the hot spot, I wouldn't be able to see it from another device,
like the rPi that I can talk to from my house. However, the phone can see
all of the connected devices. And the rPi can VNC to the phone.
Next plan
Connect the Shelly to the hot spot. That should give it a clock and I
should be able to schedule it using the phone. If I am away and need to
make a change I should be able to use the rPi to VNC headlessly to the
phone. Then I am thinking screen shots requested by the slow connection
and forwarded to the sshfs share over the hot spot. I'll have to make sure
I set the Shelly up with a static IP, or I'll never find it, since the
phone, the only thing that could see it, won't nmap or tell me what is
connected to it.
Thoughts
Having a few old phones and access to $10/month plans, it would be nice to
just be able to access a phone from the world. It would be easy to monitor
and perhaps control things at remote locations for cheap. I've used phones
this way before, but they were alway on WiFi and so I had access. When
they are the hot spot/AP, things get all jacked up. As an aside:I hate IoT.
If anyone has any thoughts, comments, or suggestions, I would welcome them.
If you read this far, I hope it was entertaining.
Final thought
After rereading this, I think I could just replace the Shelly with an X-10
light switch. Install the controller on the rPi and control it with a cron
job. I could make any changes using the slow connection from the house. Or
alternatively, I could use the native WiFi interface on the rPi as an Ad
Hoc/AP for the Shelly. I did try this, but it didn't work. But I've
upgraded the OS on the rPi to bookworm from stretch since then. Maybe that
will address some of the issues. I was using my laptop to test and I think
I was having version compatiblity issues.
Thanks.
Full circle
-Gary
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2:03 a.m.
Found it. It is called an astronomical time switch.
Mine is the RT-200-I Made by Watt Stopper. But it is a few years old.
The -W version is available on amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Wattstopper-RT-200-W-Astronomical-Timer-Switch/dp/B0…
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 5:40 PM bob r <bob.dev.oak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We have one of those switches you install in the wall,
instead of a normal
light switch, and it automatically adjusts changes to when the sun sets and
rises and also accounts for the time changes. It always goes on at sunset
and always goes off at sunrise. Once every 2 years or so, I have to reset
the time back a few minutes, but other than that you just program the time
in once and you are good to go. Best thing ever.
I can't remember what the guy called it, but it sounded like an "automatic
lightswitch" but that is not it.
I even have an extra one. Let me try to find it....
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:07 PM Gary <saclug(a)garymcglinn.com> wrote:
I hope you find this entertaining.
I have a very simple problem. I have a secondary structure on my
property some distance from my house. It has a light that I want to come
on sometime after sunset and turn off sometime before dawn.
There are a few issues.
1. The light is visible from the road, so it should look nice. Adding a
socket with a day night sensor isn't possible. It won't fit inside the
current lighting fixture.
2. The WiFi from the house does reach this structure, but it isn't very
strong. My laptop can pick it up just fine, but the Shelly home automation
switch I bought doesn't see it.
3. I have an extra phone that I use only for 2 factor authentication and
a few other minor uses. I have a $10/month plan for that phone.
Note: The Shelly is installed. It can't see any WiFi, so it won't let
me set up a schedule because it can't see a clock. Not withstanding the
fact that I could tell it what the time is and even $0.20 chips have a
reasonably accurate clock. We aren't flying planes or running nuclear
reactors here. But it will let me tell it how long to wait after I turn it
on to turn it off. This uses a clock, but I guess it slipped through.
It's from Romania. I manually turn the light on every evening.
Plan 1
Move the second phone to the secondary structure and just use VNC to get
any messages. Turn on the hot spot and have the Shelly get the time from
that.
Result: I abandonded this plan when I couldn't VNC into the phone from
the world. Lo and behold, this only works if you access the phone using
WiFi. Since I want to use the hotspot, this means being connected to the
phone's hot spot. Which means I have to be there, which defeats the whole
purpose.
Plan 2
Set up my rPi on the hot spot from the phone. Use a remote ssh tunnel to
access the rPi and then access the phone.
Result: The remote tunnel is blocked. I only did some brief reading, but
you have to do some packet inspection to do this.
Plan 3
Use the slow network from the house to contact the rPi on a second
external and good antenna. Use the rPi's native antenna to contact the
phone.
Result: This works. But it is incredibly slow. The clock on the phone
that I see when using vnc updates every 5 minutes. But despite this, it
seemed pretty stable. Not really workable though.
Note: Although an ssh remote tunnel won't work, sshfs apparently will.
I wouldn't have guessed that.
Note: Devices that are using the phone's hot spot can't see each other.
They can only see the phone. This would mean that if I connected the
Shelly to the hot spot, I wouldn't be able to see it from another device,
like the rPi that I can talk to from my house. However, the phone can see
all of the connected devices. And the rPi can VNC to the phone.
Next plan
Connect the Shelly to the hot spot. That should give it a clock and I
should be able to schedule it using the phone. If I am away and need to
make a change I should be able to use the rPi to VNC headlessly to the
phone. Then I am thinking screen shots requested by the slow connection
and forwarded to the sshfs share over the hot spot. I'll have to make sure
I set the Shelly up with a static IP, or I'll never find it, since the
phone, the only thing that could see it, won't nmap or tell me what is
connected to it.
Thoughts
Having a few old phones and access to $10/month plans, it would be nice
to just be able to access a phone from the world. It would be easy to
monitor and perhaps control things at remote locations for cheap. I've
used phones this way before, but they were alway on WiFi and so I had
access. When they are the hot spot/AP, things get all jacked up. As an
aside:I hate IoT.
If anyone has any thoughts, comments, or suggestions, I would welcome
them.
If you read this far, I hope it was entertaining.
Final thought
After rereading this, I think I could just replace the Shelly with an
X-10 light switch. Install the controller on the rPi and control it with a
cron job. I could make any changes using the slow connection from the
house. Or alternatively, I could use the native WiFi interface on the rPi
as an Ad Hoc/AP for the Shelly. I did try this, but it didn't work. But
I've upgraded the OS on the rPi to bookworm from stretch since then. Maybe
that will address some of the issues. I was using my laptop to test and I
think I was having version compatiblity issues.
Thanks.
Full circle
-Gary
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