I don't know how many of you ever went to OSCON, yet I have fond memories of attending it both in 2010 and 2014. I searched online and it seems that Covid put the nail in the coffin for OSCON and stopped it for good. https://www.oreilly.com/conferences/from-laura-baldwin.html What a bummer deal. I remember it was 1997 that I believe the first PERL conference started and it eventually turned into OSCON. I am going to start sing "Glory Days" by Bruce Springsteen. On a side note, I spoke with Kyle Rankin, who has presented at various conferences, and he presented at SCALE (Southern California Area Linux Expo). He said that they have a good in person conference. Brian -- Brian Lavender https://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture