I have a lot of older or sometimes resource constrained systems so I'm also using fvwm in addition to XFCE. I haven't played with enlightenment for a while. I had some issue and never went back "home". I haven't optimized fvwm, as I just started using it recently. It has some issues but runs pretty well where I'm using it. I'm hoping to figure out some things like xterm requiring an extra keystoke or displaying one character behind, however you look at it. I don't use the terminal much on those systems, so it is more of a curiosity and incovenience when I do occasionaly need the command line. On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 07:40:55AM -0700, Linus Sphinx wrote: -- -Gary It is a simple thing to make things complex, a complex thing to make things simple.