Thanks for all the helpful information and comments.
My 'new'/replacement system arrived. It's a refurbed Dell with Windows 10 installed. My original plan was just to install a VM in Windows, until I did the actual set up. It comes with a keystroke logger. Wow. And they really want to improve your user experience by collenting a lot of information and sending you a lot of stuff and giving you rewards.
I know you can "turn it off", but I never believe these claims. That's why I have Google send me my timeline once a month. At least that way I have some idea of what they are tracking.
Gparted worked pretty well. I like to use good old standard partitions, so of course Windows uses 4 primaries. I deleted the recovery partition and resized the main Windows partition and had a decent amount of space. I burnt a Fedora XFCE disk and off to the races.
The install went fine. But I had remembered that during some installs in the past there were more options/questions about bootloaded config. It just installed grub2. I did a custom standard partition and started with it's "default" suggestion, which has no swap space. After making adjustments and adding swap and /var and configing users, the install went without a hitch.
Now I have a system that boots into Fedora 36 just fine, which is all I need. I can begin to figure out how to lock the system down and what to bring in/set up to regain my old setup.
Doing the switch to boot from the disk was interesting. It seems like Dell's BIOS is a little bit out of control. It's redundant and unnecssarily complex. There are two hotkeys F2 and F12 and you have to use them both. According to Dell's own web site, each BIOS is 'customized' to specific hardware. What turning off boot security and turning on legacy boot actually do apparently varies a lot. I had to do that to boot into the live OS and actually do the install.
Apparently Dell believes that difficulting in performing a task is a type of security.
I decided to explore dual boot. I have heard for years that Windows and Linux don't play well. But, an easy test was just to exit out of grub, which then dumps you into Windows bootloader. This worked fine, but the boot option to start windows simply doesn't work.
In looking into adding Windows boot to grub, it should be very easy. Just run os-prober and then update-grub and magically you're done. These are instructions for a Debian based system. I have to do some translation for Fedora and update-grub becomes mkconfig-grub.
But it doesn't work.
It is interesting though that the Linux world is mostly Debian for the 'home' user and more Fedora for the more enterprise folks. No one is going to dual boot their enterprise server, so there is no info. I did find some interesting grub menuitems to try. But I might just abandon the dual boot, because if it breaks when I'm in Windowsland, a distinct possibility, I won't have any tools. Well I'd have the live CD.
But in addition to Windows and Linux not playing well together at boot time, it seems the UEFI and Legacy don't play well together either. I was surpised to find that Fedora 36 is a Legacy boot and Windows is a UEFI.
Just for your entertainment. More reading for me.
And just one bug so far in Fedora or maybe it's Firefox:Firefox won't play any videos. It just tells me the video is unavalable. I don't use this system for that, but it is curious.
-Gary
Quoting saclug@garymcglinn.com (saclug@garymcglinn.com):
Gparted worked pretty well. I like to use good old standard partitions, so of course Windows uses 4 primaries. I deleted the recovery partition and resized the main Windows partition and had a decent amount of space.
Why not move _Windows_ into a VM? Or just make an archive copy of the preload and blow it away, if you have no immediate use for it. Either way, it seems a waste of good hardware to let Microsoft be the host OS.
It is interesting though that the Linux world is mostly Debian for the 'home' user and more Fedora for the more enterprise folks.
Dude, no. Enterprise computing doesn't use Fedora. It's way too beta and with too short a life cycle. In former days, enterprise computing mostly used CentOS. I'm a little out of the loop, but would guess they've predominantly moved on to its successor in spirit, Rocky Linux.
Call me old fashioned but if I was actually trying to make money off running linux I'd buy it a license. If it's a small free enterprise like ours there's
The Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals is a single
subscription, which allows the user to install Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a maximum of 16 systems, physical
or virtual, regardless of system facts and size. Those 16 nodes may be
used by the individual developer for demos, prototyping, QA, small production uses, and cloud ... Does not specify what or how long your demo can run. Quote from: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/faqs-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux...
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:06 PM Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com wrote:
Quoting saclug@garymcglinn.com (saclug@garymcglinn.com):
Gparted worked pretty well. I like to use good old standard partitions, so of course Windows uses 4 primaries. I deleted the recovery partition and resized the main Windows partition and had a decent amount of space.
Why not move _Windows_ into a VM? Or just make an archive copy of the preload and blow it away, if you have no immediate use for it. Either way, it seems a waste of good hardware to let Microsoft be the host OS.
It is interesting though that the Linux world is mostly Debian for the 'home' user and more Fedora for the more enterprise folks.
Dude, no. Enterprise computing doesn't use Fedora. It's way too beta and with too short a life cycle. In former days, enterprise computing mostly used CentOS. I'm a little out of the loop, but would guess they've predominantly moved on to its successor in spirit, Rocky Linux.
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Quoting Linus Sphinx (sphinxtar@gmail.com):
Call me old fashioned but if I was actually trying to make money off running linux I'd buy it a license.
{shrug}
I've often been senior in Operations, but never consulted, let alone allowed to decide, whether to spend money on an RHEL contract or deploy the leading, unbranded RHEL rebuild, instead. (That was CentOS at that time.)
So, I simply reported observed fact: Corporate places that deploy lots of Red Hat, such as firms that have dozens or hundreds of machines in data centres, strongly tend to deploy the leading, unbranded RHEL rebuild du jour, not RHEL. And more to the immediately point I was addressing, they _certainly_ do not deploy Fedora in production. That would be unwise, even past the folly limits of corporate America.
Aside: During a long employment stint in the Linux Mangement department of a very large EDA (electronic design automation) firm that _did_ deploy RHEL, the firm had a pressing need for help with a very serious RHEL software problem, escalated it to top Red Hat software talent, and got no satisfaction, i.e., the bug was not fixed. Just anecdata.
Well, I'm pretty sure IBM uses Red Hat, which is not Fedora. I had run them together in my mind. Not sure what is Fedora's sweet spot.
I have plenty of space right now. If I need more, Windows will go.
-Gary
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:05:20PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting saclug@garymcglinn.com (saclug@garymcglinn.com):
Gparted worked pretty well. I like to use good old standard partitions, so of course Windows uses 4 primaries. I deleted the recovery partition and resized the main Windows partition and had a decent amount of space.
Why not move _Windows_ into a VM? Or just make an archive copy of the preload and blow it away, if you have no immediate use for it. Either way, it seems a waste of good hardware to let Microsoft be the host OS.
It is interesting though that the Linux world is mostly Debian for the 'home' user and more Fedora for the more enterprise folks.
Dude, no. Enterprise computing doesn't use Fedora. It's way too beta and with too short a life cycle. In former days, enterprise computing mostly used CentOS. I'm a little out of the loop, but would guess they've predominantly moved on to its successor in spirit, Rocky Linux.
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Quoting saclug@garymcglinn.com (saclug@garymcglinn.com):
Well, I'm pretty sure IBM uses Red Hat, which is not Fedora.
Gosh, _thank you_, Captain Edge-Case! You're my hero!
(For those who were living in a cave in 2019: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisiti... )